橋下知事「不要な国事業の負担しない」 来年度予算方針(asahi.com 2008年12月3日19時35分)
懲戒扇動発言の清算が終わったかどうかはさておき、ここまで思い切ったことを言う知事はそう多くないと思います。
不合理な法律は、誰かがその不合理性を指摘しないといつまでも生き続けます。
不合理かどうかはについても、誰かが指摘しないと議論が始まりません。
議論の結果、やっぱり不合理となったら、その法律は変えられるべきです。
橋下知事「不要な国事業の負担しない」 来年度予算方針(asahi.com 2008年12月3日19時35分)
懲戒扇動発言の清算が終わったかどうかはさておき、ここまで思い切ったことを言う知事はそう多くないと思います。
不合理な法律は、誰かがその不合理性を指摘しないといつまでも生き続けます。
不合理かどうかはについても、誰かが指摘しないと議論が始まりません。
議論の結果、やっぱり不合理となったら、その法律は変えられるべきです。
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ただ、岩国の住民投票について「国に逆らうな」みたいなことを言っていたように聞こえたんですが、ダブルスタンダードということはないんでしょうかね。
あれは「国防に関しては」という限定がついていたのか…?
正直、橋下氏お得意の「他人の振り見て我が振りなおさず」な気がしています。
そういえばそういう発言もありましたね。
その場の思いつきでものを言うところがあるのかもしれません。
まあ、政治家としては是々非々というのはありだと思います。
たしかに問題場面は違うようですし。
あとは府民の判断ということで。
「またか」って感じです。
吠えたり噛み付いたりして世間の耳目を集めるのは大好きなようですが、行政の長としてそういう旗を振って見せたときに実務レベルでどういう調整や処理が必要になってくるかというところまでは、ぜーんぜん見通してない・・・という毎度毎度のパターンですね。
「不要な国事業の負担はしない」ええ、一般論としてなら、まっこと正論でありますとも。
テレビ番組のコメンテーターやタレントが口にするならば「そうそう、そうなのよねー」と相槌を打つに吝かではありません。
しかし行政実務の責任者がソレを言うからには「何が不要か」を、国とケンカできるレベルの根拠を持って識別できる能力と、実際に国とケンカする『戦闘能力』、さらには地方交付税交付金をはじめとする国からの便宜供与で「報復」を受けても凌ぎ切れる政治能力が備わってることが要求されるわけで、府の職員に対してすら組織の長としての求心力を発揮できていないレベルの政治家力しか持ち合わせのない御仁がこんなこと言っても、所詮はテレビ芸人の遠吠えにしか聞こえないのであります。
私としては、ダメな人だなぁ・・・という印象をさらに補強する材料にしかなり得ません。
何もしないよりは よいように思いますが。
少なくとも問題点を浮き彫りにした功績はあると思います。
惰眠さんが立派と判断する知事はどなたなのでしょうか。
また橋下知事は47知事で最低なのですか。
最低でしょ・・・
法治国家で法を良く知っているはずの弁護士なのに、法を無視した発言が多いなんて・・・
>懲戒扇動発言の清算が終わったかどうかはさておき
さておけないと思います。
まだ控訴理由書の提出はされていないようです。
弁護団のHP
橋下氏が、控訴中にも関わらず光市弁護団に賠償金を支払ったそうですが、どういうことなんでしょうか。なにかしら怪しい意図を感じるのですが。
橋下知事、光市弁護団に856万支払い 「遅延損害金がかかる…」
http://www.iza.ne.jp/news/newsarticle/204020/
う~ん、ここでも「表現の自由」を持ち出してくるんですか。
「報道の自由」とか「--の自由」というのは、そのお立場の方々の免罪符なんでしょうか?
かなり遅いレスポンスですみません。
発言の酷さでは、兵庫県井戸知事のほうが上では内科と思います。
阪神淡路大震災を経験した県のトップが、東京が震災になればチャンスと発言したのですから。
ついでに震災当時の貝原前知事も酷いと思います。自衛隊の出動要請せず、救える命を奪ったある意味殺人犯ですが、最高の勲章を確かもらってます。
当時の村山元総理の無能ぶりも許せません。こちらも勲章をもらってます。
>No.4について
比較優劣の話など私はしてません。橋下徹氏が、行政組織のリーダーとしての資質に欠けたスタンドプレーヤーに過ぎないことを指摘しているだけのことです。
旗だけ振って実務的に実効性のある対応が取れないのは、ほぼ最悪の対応です。混乱を招くだけ招いて、その収拾をほっぽり出すも同然だからです。ある意味「何もしない」よりもなお悪い。
>No.8について
自衛隊の災害派遣要請を、自治体が行う際に必要な(当時の)用件をご存知でしょうか。その上で、時系列に基づいて、あの震災の日に兵庫県がどのような対応をとった(とりえたのか)かきちんとご存知の上で貝原元知事を殺人者呼ばわりなさっているのでしょうか。とてもそうは思えませんが。
村山元総理に関しても同じです。
また、仮に自衛隊が「きわめて迅速に」災害派遣されていたと仮定した場合、具体的にどの地区においてどのような救出行動をとることが可能で、それによってどの程度の人数が「死なずに済んだ」のか検討してください。
震災死者の大過は、発生時点での即死だったという集計もあるはずですし、救出後死亡者におけるクラッシュ・シンドロームの問題も当時は知見が広まっていなかったために避け得なかった事実がありますが、それらを覆してなお「自衛隊をもっと早く派遣していれば死者数は少なく済んだ」と論理的に明示可能なのであれば、それは今後の災害派遣実施にかかわるガイドラインに資する検討と存じます。
おっしゃるとおり80%は倒壊した家屋の下敷きで即死されたようです。一方で生き埋めに近い状態で後からの火災で焼死された方もおられます。この方々を助けるすべが必ずやあったはずで、時間との戦いであったと思います。比率の問題ではないと思いますが。
貝原前知事は警察からの情報が来なかったことを派遣要請が遅れた理由のひとつとされていますが(事実であったでしょう)県警の究極の長は知事ではないでしょうか。責任のなすり付けとも取れます。さらに派遣要請は野口消防交通安全課課長補佐の機転で行われ、知事へは事後承諾となったそうですから。
人命優先なら超法規的処置もできたと思えます。
同様のことは自衛隊側にもいえます。なんで待機したままなのかと。
村山元総理には通常の公務をされ何もされず、その理由が初めてのことだからと答弁されえいます。唖然とします。
村山さんはTVを見て情報を得たようです。当時TVの速報は周辺部ばかりで中心部はなかったように記憶しています。おかしな状況であることになぜ気づかれないのでしょうか。
小生ですら何か変であることはその時点で感じておりました。
報告を待つのでなく、自らなぜ情報を得ようとしなかったのでしょう。
トップとは結果責任です。
だから高い報酬と名誉を得ているのではないでしょうか。
何もしない・できない方はその地位から立ち去るべきです。
そのように思います。
これまでの震災で得た教訓は、自分たちがまず防災に努める必要の大切さです。他人を当てにしてはいけません。小生も2週間から1か月分の食料・飲料水は確保しています。(他人に分けるかどうかはそのときにおかれた状況しだいでしょう)
ちなみに簡易トイレと防毒マスクの準備は検討中です。
(バケツとビニール袋でトイレ代わりに、使い捨てマスクとタオルで煙よけになるのではと判断しています)
下記内容はウィキペディアからですが、小生の思いと同等なので転記してます。
地震発生後、消防・警察・自衛隊などの各組織は救助活動に入っている。消防庁が調整を行って全国から消防部隊が現地に送られていたが、交通渋滞に巻き込まれずに到着したものはほとんどなかった。現地消防、警察においては、自身が被害を受けていることもあり、初期における救助活動は円滑とはいえなかった。このほか、淡路島においては、消防団および、近隣住民が中心となった救助活動が行われた。
自衛隊については、地震発生数分後には行動を始めたものの、阪急伊丹駅へ近傍派遣(災害派遣)を行った第36普通科連隊を除き、神戸市中心部への災害派遣は直ちにはなされなかった。第36普通科連隊は、「近傍派遣」(自衛隊法第八十三条三項)によって出動しているが、他の部隊は知事の要請(自衛隊法第八十三条一項)の待機状態になっていた。
貝原俊民・兵庫県知事(当時)からの災害派遣要請はすぐに行われなかったが、これは各所轄の警察署単位で調べていた被害情報を、兵庫県警本部の警備部がまとめていたのに連絡を怠り、貝原知事にまで伝達されなかったことが最大の原因であった。例えば兵庫県警東灘署だけでも午前8時に「死者100名以上、行方不明者数百名」という情報を把握していたにもかかわらず、兵庫県警警備部が知事への報告を地震発生後2回しか行わず、午前10時の段階で知事に伝わっていた兵庫県全体の被害情報は「死者4名」というあまりに現実とかけ離れたものだった[8]。貝原知事は「被害情報が正しく伝えられていれば、即座に自衛隊派遣要請を出来ていた」と答えている[9]。
村山富市内閣総理大臣には地震の一報がかなり早い時点で入ったものの、これは首相が地震発生直後のテレビニュースをたまたま見ていたことによるもので、秘書官等から詳細な情報を上げることは遅くなった。その後、不完全ながらも随時上げられる情報により、未曾有の大災害であることが明らかになりつつある中でも、村山首相は懸案となっていた新党結成問題への対応や財界首脳との食事会など、予定通りの公務をこなす傍ら災害対応を行ったため、十分な対応を行わなかったのではないかという疑念を生んだ。さらに、村山首相は、地震発生3日後に開かれた衆議院本会議の代表質問に対する答弁の中で、政府の情報収集の遅れと危機管理体制の不備を問われ、「何分初めての経験でもございますし、早朝の出来事でもございますから、幾多の混乱があったと思われまする」と答えたため、強く批判された。
惰眠さんのコメントに近いんですが、最低具合を比較してもしょうがないと思います。
自分は市民のトップとしての資質の無さは例の幼稚園の畑の接収で見えたと思います。
園児に芋ほりをさせないのが可哀相だとか、園長の政治的属性がどうこう以前の問題として、高裁の判断前に接収してしまう事自体が公共の福祉を制限する可能性のある立場の人間としての言動ではありません。
やっと控訴理由書が提出されたそうです。
どうやら、支払いのリークは橋下側から行われた様な感じがします。12日に控訴理由書の提出を明らかにしたようですし。
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/1212/OSK200812120032.html
(期限の50日以内に提出はしていないのは弁護団のHPの更新をチェックしていたので明らかです、期限の1週間以上後の更新でも届いていないとの事でした)
で弁護団側の附帯控訴の書状は確認できるんですが、橋下被告側の控訴理由書はどこかで確認できないんでしょうか?
あれだけ世間への説明責任を行っていた人間がまさか公開しないなんて事はありえないでしょ?
あのですね、そういうのを「ためにする批判」と言うんです。
「何か大変なことが起こっているようだから出動!」なんて、ハリウッド映画じゃあるまいし。
行政機構というのは、システムです。システムと言うものは、きちんとした手順に基づいて運用されるよう設計されたものです。
自衛隊の災害出動で言えば、県知事が(県知事「名」ではない)「どこそこで、こういう被害が起きているので、その場所に部隊を派遣してくれ」という形でやるもので、「このあたりがなんか大変なことになってるっぽいからとりあえず出動してくれや」みたいなのは論外です。
大体、倒壊した家屋の下敷きになって、そのまま焼け死んだ人らを、自衛隊の装備と訓練とで、どうやったら救助できたんですか?あまり馬鹿馬鹿しいことを堂々と主張しないでください。みっともない。
「情報を得ようとしなかったのでしょう」ですって?
「情報を得ようとする」とは具体的に、何をどうすることですか。報道機関は、それこそ公的機関の組織的意思決定なんかとはまったく無縁に「こりゃニュースだ」と独自に判断すりゃ誰彼はばからずばんばんヘリでも飛行機でも出すでしょう。それで後々批判を浴びましたが。飛ばしたヘリからの情報をどこのセクションで集約し、どう放送に反映するかの手順も整ってるでしょうからね。
テレビ局の放送手順みたいな組織的対応が想定されていなかった、当時の自治体やら国(政府)の対処について「反省(=今後どうすれば教訓を生かせるか)」ではなく「非難」しようとするあなたの言説には、まったく肯けないだけでなく甚だしい不快感を覚えます。
あの前代未聞の大災害の中、その瞬間その瞬間にできる限りの対応をとらんとした、全ての関係者に対する侮辱です。
大体、どこの馬の骨がどんな思惑で書いたかもしれないようなウィキペディアの記述なんかを鵜呑みにしなさんな。
全国紙もそうだが、地元神戸新聞が非常に優れたドキュメントを残しているので、あの震災について何か語りたいのなら、最低でもそういうものを丹念に読むべきです。
政府機関もあの震災で明らかになった課題に関して、種々の文書を作成しているので、そこから浮かび上がってくる「なにか可能だったのにできなかったことがあるのか、なにか制度(システム)的に隘路を生じさせていたのではないか」を自分の頭で咀嚼するべきです。
そうそう、村山内閣の対応をウィキペディアに書いてあるような内容で最初に批判したのは、当時羽田政権が倒れて自社さに切り替わったことで野党暮らしすることになった、公明党の市川書記長だったことはご存知ですか?
野党の政治家が思惑ずくで、政府与党の災害対応の不十分さをなじるために捻り出した「演説」を、まるで事実がそうであったかのように扱うのは如何なものでしょう。
馬の骨ですw
おっかしーなー、私が去年wikiに書き込んだ時には惰眠氏の指摘してる項目は全て含めてたのに…
いつの間にやら編集されてら。
何か貝原知事や村山首相が悪くなければならないと考えてる人達が頑張ってるみたいです。
えーと、自衛隊の装備で救助が可能かですが、救助の為にはチェーンソーやコンクリカッター、破砕機、クレーン車などの特殊車両が必要です。
その辺りの装備は自衛隊は所持していますが出動時には用意されていません。
(情報がなくって土砂災害用の装備で出動しましたからね)
これ以上の速さで出動していたとしても装備がないから人力で救助となり、大騒ぎする程の活躍はなかった事が予想されます。
(人力勝負なら大量にいる被災者同士が先に救助していた為)
日章旗氏へ。
役所の情報収集ですが、県庁は電話回線は2本を残して(物理的に)断線、無線機も停電で情報収集機能はほぼ停止状態。
職員は自分達も被災している為集まりが悪く、集まった少ない職員でなんとか情報収集、各局への連絡や指示、許認可や救助活動支援とやること山積み。
調べれば調べただけ頭が下がる思いです。
これで尚「やってない」と言う人はどれだけスーパーマンなんでしょうね?
野口氏の要請に知事が事後承諾した話ですが、野口氏に自衛隊へ連絡取るのを最優先で専念しろと指示を出したのは知事自身ですし、連絡を取ったからすぐ派遣が行われるとは思っていなかったのでそこまで指示がいってなかっただけですが?
あと知事に入っていた情報に「姫路、宝塚、芦屋、西宮、伊丹、尼崎、そして周辺町全てで被災、但し規模は不明」ってのがあります。
(神戸は自分で見ている)
この状態でどこに自衛隊を出せばいいか判断できる人っているんですかね?
自衛隊も人員は無限じゃないですよ?
貴方のような人に後藤田正晴氏が言葉を残しています。
「震災当日の午前中の段階で、関東大震災レベルにまでなると思った人などほとんどいなかった筈だ。 色々言うのは後知恵ではないか?」
小生は災害期間中に活動された方々を非難しておりません。
最高責任者の行動を問うているのであります。結果責任であり、何もできないトップは立ち去れといっているのであります。
自治体がすったもんだしている間に、民間企業であるダイエーをはじめ多くの流通グループは自らの資材を救援物資として提供しております。
企業とて統治されております。トップの英断で実行されたのであります。判断力の問題だと考えます。
そのダイエーがこの震災も重荷になり更生法を適応されなければならない状況になったのは本当に残念であります。
民間にできて自治体ができないのはシステムであるならばそのシステムを変えるべきでしょう。
さらに独立行政法人など、国民のために使われていない状況も浮かび上がったいるではありませんか。
もっといえば、社会保険庁などはそのシステムさえ働いていなかったわけで、自らの身は自ら守るべきであることを確信したわけでもあります。
ちなみに、固定回線はかなり寸断されて復旧に時間がかかりましたが、携帯は比較的利用できる状況にあり、各キャリアは長期にわたり無償で神戸市などに貸し出しています。完全ではありませんが、早い段階で補完されています。また、現地から連絡できるなど携帯だからこそできる情報収集はなされたはずです。
携帯事業者は許認可事業であり、約款というルールで制約を受けております。もしシステムに従うだけであるなら、無償での提供はルール違反になるのではないでしょうか。
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