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今日発売の「週刊新潮」に鈴木宗雄氏が「取り調べを受けた時のこと」についてコメントされていましたけど、鈴木氏が「これは”はじめに鈴木宗雄ありきの国策捜査”ではないか?」と尋ねたら、検事は「権力を背景にやっておりますので”国策捜査”と言われればその通りです」と答えられたそうです。つまり、全ての捜査は(平等に)”国策捜査”ってことですよね。
考えたら当たり前の話ですが、特定の人間に対して恣意的に捜査のメスが向けられるのはスターリンやヒトラーのような独裁者が支配しているような国の話でしょ?
(オバマさんの、2004年アメリカ民主党大会の基調演説の言葉を借りれば)「ドアを突然ノックする音を気にすることなく考えたことを表現でき、賄賂を払ったり誰かの息子を雇わなくてもアイデアを持って事業を起こすことができ、報復の恐怖を感じることなく政治に参加することができ、投票が正しくカウントされる」国なら、「国策捜査」を恐れなくてもいいんじゃないでしょうか?

失礼しました。
鈴木宗男氏ですね。

これ以外のことはちょっと言えないんじゃないかな,
というくらい納得しました。

決定的な証拠があることが分かったときの
民主党幹部(とりわけ鳩山さん)の面構えを見てみたいですね。

検察に謝罪したりするんでしょうか。
陰謀説で押し切るんでしょうか。

陰謀論の立場からすれば、「決定的な証拠」は存在してはいけないので、「それは決定的証拠ではない」と押し切ることになるのでしょう。


物証については、「検察が捏造した」。
調書については、「検察が作文した」。
証言については、「検察が強要した」。


与党の意を受けて国策捜査に邁進する危険な組織ですから、証拠のでっち上げや偽証の教唆なんか軽い軽い。まっことオソロシか。

しかし、民主党が政権をとったら今の検察組織はどうするつもりか。まさか、「国策捜査」で「権力を濫用」する悪の巣窟をそのままにはできんだろう。

すると、現行の検察庁は解体して、「民主検察庁」を設立するのか。そのためには「正当司法試験」を実施して、合格者に「真・司法研修所」で「本家・司法修習」をさせて、「民主検察官」を養成しないと。あ、秘書の逮捕状を出した裁判所も同罪だから、「民主裁判所」の「民主裁判官」も必要か・・・・。司法官僚は辞表を用意しておかないといかんですね。

とにかく、司法に関する民主党のマニフェストに期待大であります。

素朴な疑問を失礼します。
「小沢さんや秘書の方が違法行為をやっていたと証明しうる決定的な証拠」とは、イコール「本件捜査が陰謀ではなかったと証明しうる決定的な証拠」なのでしょうか?
私は「否」だと思います。

なお、誤解なきように申し添えておきますが、私は本件捜査を陰謀だとは思っていませんよ。

 ロッキード事件では、アリバイ証人が続々と出てきまして、米国嘱託尋問調書の信用性を否定しにかかりました。
 しかし、専属運転手の「運転日報」、秘書の奥さんの「蜂の一刺し証言」という動かし難い証拠で検察が反撃して、実刑有罪となりました。
 そのときも、検察ファッショ、証拠のねつ造偽造という論調が出た記憶です。
 歴史は繰り返す……。

>けんさん

私も決定的証拠があっても陰謀ではないということにはならないと思います。
陰謀という人たちは、なぜこんな誰でもやっていることについて、こんな選挙がとりざたされている時期にというような考えでしょうから。決定的な証拠があっても大して悪質性のないことで一人だけ狙い撃ちして選挙に影響をおよぼそうとした陰謀という認識は変わらないでしょうね。

 以前にも書きましたが、陰謀論の世界では決定的かつ動かしがたい証拠もねつ造可能です。

 文意をくみ取って頂き、ありがとうございます。
 本件捜査について、陰謀説を唱えている方々は、小沢さんや秘書の方が無実(もしくは無罪)であることを主張の前提にしていないように私も思います。
小沢さんや秘書の方々が違法行為をやっていたと証明しうる決定的な証拠が今後出てきたとしても、きっと陰謀説を主張する声は途絶えないでしょうね。

確たる証拠に基づくわけではない陰謀論を否定することは、悪魔の証明になってしまいそうですね。(陰謀論を信じている人にとってだけですが)

所詮、時の政権なんて移ろいゆく政治的状況の一つの形であって、そんな不確かなものに自らの行く末を預けるなんてバカなギャンブルをやる奴はそうそういない。

仮に「陰謀」をできるような立場の人は、そうしたことをしなくてももう既に検察組織のトップに近い位置にいるし、ギャンブルが成功しても公務員としての給料が増える訳でもない。

将来国会議員に転身する際に有利だと思われるかもしれないが、例え政界でもそんな小賢しい小細工をするような奴が信用される訳がない。つまりこのギャンブルは勝っても当人には何らメリットがない。

検察官には、そのような何のメリットもない、むしろ自らの行く末を危うくするだけのギャンブルに熱を上げるバカがいると思う人は、よほど検察官をバカにしているのか、自分の考えていることがどれほどバカらしいかということを分かっていない人かもしれない。

検察陰謀論を唱える人は、自分達がもし権力者の立場であれば、政敵ライバルを蹴落とす為にはこれくらいのことは遣るだろう、という自身の発想力・想像力で言っている。これが証拠だとか、この事実からして明らかだとか言っていても、受動的な理屈付けであって、誰それがコレコレの指示を検察に出したという決定的な証拠を提示できていない。この現実が検察陰謀論が、唱えている者の想像力の産物である何よりの証明じゃないだろうか。

心が卑しい者は考えることも卑しい、ということを示しているのだろう。

#犯罪行為の有無と、この時期に我が党首だけが狙われた事とは別問題であって、前者の点は遺憾であるが後者の点については陰謀だった。。。

と言うやうな論法は、面子をある程度たてつつ何気なく幕を引くときの言い回しの手法としては、確かにあり得るのかもしれませんね。効果の程は別として。

※以下は念のため。私自身は陰謀論者ではありません(と思ってます)。現時点では、如何なる仮説も提起出来る状況であるが、結局のところ今後の展開を見守るのが一番必要な事だろう。と思っておりますので。

 陰謀論みたいな仮説は、論証・追試されなければ、永久に仮説が仮設されたままw

余談です。すみません。

ケネディ暗殺なんていろんな陰謀説が出てきて、テレビでは悲しいことにバラエティのネタと化しています。「川○浩探検隊」とか「X川埋蔵金」みたいな感じです。
。・゜゜⌒(TOT)⌒゜゜・。

>>大変だったら大変だ サン

いささか、現実味を帯びてきましたね・・・


【政治】 「政権を取ったら検察の在り方を議論しなければならないと感じた」・・・民主党の鳩山幹事長

 民主党の鳩山由紀夫幹事長は13日、党本部で記者会見し、
小沢一郎代表の公設秘書が逮捕された西松建設の違法献金事件について
「なぜ(衆院選を控えた)この時期にこのような(逮捕に踏み切ったのか)ということの説明がまるでない。
行政としての責任を果たすべきだ」と述べた。
菅直人代表代行も先に同様の見解を示しており、党として検察に捜査の背景説明を求める立場を明確にした。
 鳩山氏は、捜査責任者による記者会見など速やかな対応を要求。
その上で「それも行わないなら、樋渡利秋検事総長を(国会に)お呼びするのも選択肢としてあり得る」とけん制した。
さらに、検察の在り方について「政権を取った暁には議論しなければならないと感じた」とも語った。

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090313-00000144-jij-pol

 平成の御代を20年経ても、まだこのご時世にこのような業界の企業献金を頼りにするのか、公党としての説明責任を果たして(以下略。
 人を批判する者は、同一の理論(へ理屈を含む)で再批判されることを想定すべきだと思いました。いゆわるブーメラン効果(。_・☆\ ベキバキ 意味が違う!

弁護人に説明責任があるか無いかという議論が2年ほど前にあったと記憶しますが、今度は検察に説明責任があるか無いかという議論になるのでしょうか?

陰謀論って麻薬みたいなものなんですよね。
専門的な知識や経験、分析力が無くても、簡単に大きな対象(政府や国家など)を非難することが出来る。
また、嫌悪する相手を見下して非難することで快感に浸ることも出来る上に、同じような思考回路を持つ人たちからの支持を集めることも出来る。
そして、自身の主張について、根拠を求められたり、明確な反証を示されても「陰謀だから」と説明責任を回避することも出来る。
しかし、一度陰謀論に手を出してしまうと、大上段に構えてしまった以上、正確に反論され、論拠を失ってしまっても、その主張を手放すことは困難になります。
陰謀論を拡大再生産させていく内に、収拾がつかなくなるだけでなく、論者の正しい判断能力をも蝕んでいく。
「ブッシュ政権による意図的見逃し」で始まり「アメリカ政府による自作自演」を経て、「ユダヤ世界委員会による純粋水爆を使った攻撃」にまで到達してしまったアメリカ同時多発テロ陰謀論なんかが良い例ですね。
しっかし今回の件で、民主党の「検察陰謀論」に賛同し、小沢支持(民主党支持ではないことに注意)を標榜している「市民ブロガー」さん達の多くが、9.11陰謀論にどっぷりつかって、りちゃあどこしみずとかべんじゃみん古歩道とかの戯言をありがたがっていた人たちと被っているのは、「検察陰謀論」の本質を示唆しているようで非常に興味深いですね。

人間って、何かの事件・事象があったときに、その原因や真実を知ること(正確には「想像すること」)ができないのは大変不安なものです。

だからって、その未知の部分を陰謀論で埋めるのは極めて安易な行動。それは近代以前の人たちが、何らかの天変地異が起こるたびにその原因を神に求めていたのと同質ですから。なーんて言いつつ、その心理パターンも理解できなく無いんですけどね。心の平安は当然のように誰もが求めることですから。

今は多くの人が自分は無宗教だと考えているのに、一方で陰謀論という宗教が生まれている(生き続けている?)ことは興味深い。いや、皮肉にしてはいけないのかもしれません。真面目に現代が抱える1つの課題でしょう。

小沢の政治資金授受について、
「政党支部で受け取れば企業からの金でも問題なかったが、企業から
の金を政治団体からの金と偽って個人の政治資金管理団体で受け取っ
た。」したがって、管理担当の秘書を逮捕して起訴した。有罪無罪は
偽ることに加担したか否かでしょうが、それが証明されたとして、い
かほどの重罪でしょうか。
従来の企業が金で事業を有利に運ぶには、政治家と役人も絡めて、予
算化、実行の筋書きがなされるーーかんぽの宿の払い下げなど
西松は政策予算化実行には政権にいない小沢は使えない。小沢の名を
ちらつかせることで有利な展開を図ったかもしれないが。ダイゴが竹
中元総理の孫の立場を利用したり、有名人の子供が芸能界で有利に立
ち回るのに近い。
西松をほめる気にはならないが、小沢秘書逮捕は筋が違うと思う。
小沢に政権を取られたくない人達が、内々の合意を得て進めていると
しか思えない。
小沢に政権を取られたくない人たち:米国派:小泉・竹中・前川など
政権中枢の政治家・官僚&彼から権益を得る人たち
政治家、学者、経済人、ジャーナリストいっぱいいそう

(このブログはダブハン禁止です。 モトケン)

わははははははは
いや失礼、大笑いしちゃいましたよ。
No.21の投稿者みたいな方は、仮に西松―小沢ラインと同じ図式での「献金」を自民党総裁が受けてたことが明らかになり関係者が刑事訴追を受ける事態になっても同じこと言うんですかねぇ「これがいかほどの罪か、総理総裁が責任を問われるいわれはない」みたいなことを(笑)。

http://www.courts.go.jp/search/jhsp0030?action_id=dspDetail&hanreiSrchKbn=01&hanreiNo=35266&hanreiKbn=04
仙台高判平成19年4月20日

なんか面白い判例だと思ったので貼っときます。
市立病院が国立大学に寄附をするのは禁止されているところ、医局への寄附の適法性について。
一審は医局への寄附は実質的に国立大学への寄附であるとして違法を認定。
二審は、医局と国立大学は別個の実体をもつものであること、医局管理の寄附金は,国の所有管理にかかる校費等の資金と別個に管理されていることを認めたが法の規定に抵触するものであった疑いは払拭できない、とした。

No.21 普通に考えましょう 様(もしお差支えなければ本当のHNをお教え下さいね)

従来の企業が金で事業を有利に運ぶには、政治家と役人も絡めて、予算化、実行の筋書きがなされるーーかんぽの宿の払い下げなど。
西松は政策予算化実行には政権にいない小沢は使えない。小沢の名をちらつかせることで有利な展開を図ったかもしれないが。ダイゴが竹中(通行人1注:竹下?)元総理の孫の立場を利用したり、有名人の子供が芸能界で有利に立ち回るのに近い。

普通に考えたら、世の中全て金次第っていうのは民主主義国家のあるべき姿ではありませんね。
ご指摘の二世芸能人ですが、スポーツ界同様、芸能界も最近はそう甘くないようですよ。実力のある人はかえって親の七光りの届かないところから這い上がってくるようです。(二世議員も親と違う選挙区、いやブロックから立候補するぐらい気概を示してほしいものです)尤も、一部の省庁(公務員試験合格者の中から選抜されるとき)・放送局や元政府系の一部大手企業ではまだ親のコネが有効のようですが・・・。

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